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you can not ride it on the autobahn because it is
slower than a built-in minimum speed of 60km/h.

and you can not ride it through most of the woods
anymore if there is not a sign 'for horses' because
it damages the roots, the woodways and the nature.

additionally if you ride in public by law you
must have a "Reiterabzeichen", if you drive it in front
of a horse carriage than you need a "Fahrabzeichen"
both is like a driverslicense, you need upgrades to
both if you want to do something special; i.e.train, teach,
go on shows etc.

BTW: Any Horse got to have a 'Pferdepaß' now,
which you must have with the horse when you transport it in a trailer on a public road.
In this Horse-ID there is spezified if this horse is classified for sport and pet only or
also for butchering.
The difference is in the medication the horse gets treat with when it gets sick.
All horses must have a permanent registration number on their body, a tatoo on the inner lip, or an implantet chip matching the number in the ID.

Sorry Germany lovers, but GERMANY SUCKS.. There are way too many rules and regulations. I don't know how you guys and gals manage to survive.

I got 2 horses, eating my gras in the backyard.
As I grew up there was not many rules, I always had
my own ponies. Now with this new rules I can not bring
them out of my backyard anymore... got no ID's.
A Paint and an Appaloosa btw.
This has nothing to do with the breed papers, got those.

How much land do you own?

small farm. now, small in germany and in amerika is different.

yeah, but you probably have more than most. I'd be happy with 5 acres..

Out of control so many rules for a Horse. That sucks I guess that was a bad example. Germany has way to many rules I agree. But lets talk about moving automatic weapons/ammo in Germany if you are in the army? I am here to inform you we do it. We are not required to get permission from local police either.

You're right about that Bruce. You sure as heck can't do that in Italy. I think alot of people hate us for being able to do that, though.

oh oh. There is very tight rules also. Actually you can not move any explosives and ammunitions at all.
But since Germany was the bad one loosing the war some long time ago, and the US was the winners, there is a lot of things excempted IAW the US Army/Air Force. That is why you
MP People can play with weapons.
Technically on a US base you are on US ground.
Germans got to be in Police or Security Service with special Training and License, Hunters are allowed to have
a gun to hunt - but it is a very expensive Training bevor you get a hunting license and cost about 12000 marks about 14 years ago, then you can only carry that gun on the way to and from the hunt, and you are to have one hand weapon with you to 1) give the animal the final shot if it is still
alive or 2) to protect your gun taken away from you. For transportation the bullets have to be out.
Any weapons got to be stored in a special locker at home with chain and lock, ammunition in a separate place.
Same applies to Sport Guns, they are light guns, stay in lockers in the sports club secured or for storing at home see above, membership in one of those clubs required. If you are not having a *Waffenschein* where you learn all this you can not purchase a Weapon.
Only a "Luftgewehr", when you are 18 and your behaving records are white. Then you can go out and shoot small birds until the neighbors call the Tierschutzverein.

BTW I was working night and event security as a side job for several years and I know how to hunt any animal up to the size of a cow.
No I did not hunt a cow, just butchered it. Grew many animals on the farm, and cooked them.
To butcher or kill any animal you got to have either a butchers license (which takes 3 years of apprenticeship)
or be a farmer, by law you got to have the capability, facility, some years experience and knowledge of butchering
any animal. There is regulated how exactly you have to kill
the animal, you can not hurt it while you are killing it.

Hey if your house got a chimney, you must have it cleaned twice (new heating systems) or three (oven) times a year.
That is when this Schornsteinfeger brings you luck!

Before he retired, my wifes father was a weapons instructor at the police academy in Wiesbaden. He shot CAR-15's/M16A2 and HK-91 and 93's almost daily, but even he didnt have any privately owned weapons because of the crazy expensive lic to have one.

Maybe good, maybe bad, but the people of Germany do seem to have a whole lot of control placed on them.

Yes, but (imho) if you are in a shooting/sports gun club for a minimum of only 6 months you are allowed to buy your own weapon. If you are 1 year or so there is no limitation to the number of weapons you want to buy. And it doesn't cost 12000 DM like the hunting license you mentioned.


A "Waffenbesitzkarte" is enough. Waffenschein is only required if you actually want to carry the gun in public. Waffenbesitzkarte is much easier to get (s.a.) and allows you to buy the gun.


LOL, that was funny.

Ben

See, not even every german knows every regulation...
I did not have any weapons in the house since I have kids,
and tend to forget details which I do not need
Thanks Ben!.

Rules on how to kill stuff that is crazy. We used to kill cows/bulls with a sledgehammer to the head small veal calves 1 -2 months old we would hang them by there back feet and cut his/her throat. I bet the tree huggers would have a feild day in a small town butcher shop in America. End result is still the same hamburgers and steak in the freezer. I also heard there is a rule about transporting livestock to the bucher shop here in germany. IE cannot exceed so many hours and must be killed within a specifeid distance from farm. Wonder how the Germans kill chickens?

I just grab them on the feet and cut the heads off...
then I let them fly until they are dead for sure
Tree huggers hate me, because I pet my chickens before
I kill them. Hey, they always been happy chickens.
Happy chickens taste better!!!

The rules about transportation of animals is because of following things were normal in the past:
Cheap meat (horses, cows) was bought alive in the north east and transported through Germany to France and Italy.
Horses were not allowed for export out the east when they were still healthy, so them dealers broke their legs or took an eye and put them body on body on transporters to get as many on as possible. They were alive in big transporters all way through europe, parked over weekends somewhere in parking lots, no water sometimes up to 5 days before they arrived. Still alive but unable to move the animals was offloaded per crane with a foot tight onto chain.
The people in Luxembourg or France paid a lot for freshly butchered horsemeat.
They did not want frozen beef or horse.

So most of our regulations are the result of plenty careless money interested people, which used freedom to their benefit. If they can not handle freedom in a responsible way, you got to take it away from them and implement rules.

You guys are sick. I like to eat the final product, without having to worry or wonder about how it lived or how it died...

That always is the biggest problem in the world.
Everybody wants to close their eyes and do not want to
see what happens... as long they do fine themselves.
If the population would care, if everybody would be
interested just a little, if they would stand up for
things they see going wrong, either in the neighborhood,
downtown, on the street or in the politics, the world would not be going down the hill like that.
Germany would not need a fine for dumping trash,
no kids mistreat or dead babys found in trashcans.
There would not be stupid regulations needed for
medication of horses and transportation of living stock.
We would not need a license to own a gun (and see what
happens in the US...) and if some car drivers would not
go way overboard we would not need them strict TÃœV rules.
Is it any better when people get millions of $ because
they say they did not know smoking is unhealthy or the coffee at McD is hot and what??? why is my animal coming dead out the microwave after I washed it in the dishwasher... and I see more coming in the future.
Why?
If you sell a front door without the note:
"WARNING: If you are stepping through you are outside the house. This may result in getting robbed, raped, beat up, driven over, shot..."

(not to give you any idea...)

Our planet earth is everybodys responsibility.
And I like to know what I am eating.

No German may yodel in his Lederhosen without the necessary permit. Fact.

Loooooooooooool.

Guess that one is for protecting the innocent by-standers ...