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Stupid question - who wins on a double redlight? I would imagine the one that starts closer to the green, higher R/T. Does the same apply for both heads up and bracket? E.g., if the one with a 16s dial in cuts a .498, and one with a 14s dial in starts later, but has a .440 - does the 14s dial in lose?
Also, what if both cut the same R/T and redlight?

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Well where use to race my escort at in Clarksville . they use IHRA rules .

Heads up- Who ever redlights first regardless loses. In case of a tie red light the first one accross the finish wins.

Bracket - Same thing . Who ever redlights first regardless loses.

that also means that the slower guy is taken out automatically in a double red.... because his tree comes down first..........unfortuneately im usually the slow guy... I need some money for a converter

No, not correct. In the bracket, the 'first red light' is not by the clock, but for the reaction time.
When you redlight with .480 reaction time and the other redlights
with .450 rt one minute later, you are still not the 'first' read light, but the other one is.
Because if you started the same time, the other driver would have left the line on a earlier redlight, that is meant with 'first redlight'.
In case of a dead even false, of course still the better race is the winner.
Same with both green light and both break out, break out the least wins.

This is all about math and logic, just got to understand once and I learned the hard way... since Rick is still laughing about me on my first bracket race half way down the track 'slowing down and waiting' for the other car to leave the line... which was about 7 seconds?

Bracket is not racing the other car, it is racing yourself, your own reaction time, your own driving skills, the reliability of your car.
Theoretically you could take a field of starters and let them run single down the track and afterwards compare the times.
Would be less fun.
And is more difficult to stay on top of your skills when the other car already is half down the line or you know he is blowing you off at the finish line in a 10th of a second, so do you want to speed up or will you risk a breakout?
That is what makes it racing! (oh I love it)

Sorry I am talking too much.
Öhm... my second bracket race I won the first trophy
With a 19.40 second car - so the slower may win

See, Silke, this is exactly why I asked - the way you say it now is how I had it programmed into the tree, but someone else also said "no, the first one" ...
Please, can someone check with NHRA rules? I couldn't find anything in the DMSB files I have about bracket races, and I don't want any discussions at the May event about "no it's wrong" or something ... or, if a member of NHRA could check with them by mail or something???

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Sorry ,Silke but everything you said up to the red light was correct. The first red light regardlesss in bracket whether you are the slower or the faster car , then you are out. But maybe Germany makes their own house rules.

no tellin' if I'll get an answer, but I sent out a mail to the NHRA about the issue ...

According to the NHRA 2003 Rulebook in Section 17 - Race Procedures, on page 229, second paragraph labeled "DISQUALIFICATIONS" it says "....In most cases; both offending contestants are disqualified. Those situations include:........both drivers leaving the line before the start system is activated."

My rulebook is up-to-date as of the corrections listed in the 28 Mar 03 issue of National Dragster.

Now I hear someone asking......."When is the start system considered activated????......

I would imagine this would be before the first yellow is on, thus, racing before the starter has decided the race may be started ... oh well - hopefully, I'll get some information from NHRA ...

well, did get a reply from NHRA ...

"Rick Canning" <RCanning@nhra.com> writes:

Guess the way I have it in the system ATM is right then - so the slower driver has the disadvantage there, just needs to watch out (personally, I would find it fairer were it the one who red-lights worse ...)