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 Post subject: Z28 Headlights Mods
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2001 8:30 am 
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Hi folks,
can somebody please provide some photos of the headlight backside (maybe you Garry?).
I am working in headlight design business and I am interested in modifying existing headlight units (you know these glowing rings in the new BMW 5series headlight?).
As I have read, the Camaro headlights have automatical load levelling, ie. no switch on the dash board for levelling.
When levelling, is the whole headlight unit including cover lens moving or only the reflector inside?

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BUT THAN I MADE A MESS OF IT and now its gone!


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2001 8:51 am 
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Hi folks,
can somebody please provide some photos of the headlight backside (maybe you Garry?).

There are some already ...

http://uscco.insider.org/de/pictool.html?WHICH=g&IMG=17
http://uscco.insider.org/de/pictool.html?WHICH=g&IMG=18

I don't know if they are detailed enough to help you out ...

Anyway, I have the 3.8l european Camaro, and it has headlight adjustment through a little dial ... IIRC, automatic headlight adjustment might only be available on the Firebird ... not sure about that, though ...

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When levelling, is the whole headlight unit including cover lens moving or only the reflector inside?

Looking at the pic I took, I'd say only the inside moves ... the rest of the light casing is pretty solid, so ...

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 Post subject: Headlight Suspension
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2001 10:45 am 
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Thanks Garry,
the top view of the headlight shows, that reflector and cover lens are a sealed unit, which are suspended on three ball joints (well only one is visible with the levelling motor behind and the small white gear for manual adjustment on the assembly line).
This design is called frame type headlight, because the reflector/lens assembly is mounted to a frame. The disadvantage of this design is a not uniform gap size around the cover lens.
In gap size cautious Europe (Piechs revenge!) most headlights are of housing type, where the cover lens is fixed to a housing and only inside the reflector is adjustable.

Gunnar

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Red 99 Camaro Z28 Euro-Model, M6, T-Top, Movit/ Porsche GT3 front brakes, Alutec Kyro 8,5x19" wheels, Geiger (H&R) springs, oil intercooler, Dynomax twin exhaust,
BUT THAN I MADE A MESS OF IT and now its gone!


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Keep us posted on that project of yours. Some BMW type light would be cool I think.

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Any new developments yet??

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Sounds cool to me too. Any luck yet?

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Hi folks,
buying a new car can be a nightmare, when you have so many contradictory requirements:
Lots of power
Low insurance
Low second hand price
Reliability
Cool looks
Clear headlight cover lens
Relatively big trunk (well I haven't seen one live yet, I only know its 365l). Any fotos available??

Fortunately the Camaro Z28 fits perfectly to these requirements.
The clear headlight cover lens is a MUST when I want to modify the headlights. My current car has custom built headlights and I want to do the same with the Camaro.
But still I haven't bought the car and modifying the headlights will consume the whole winter time.
So maybe next spring I can tell you more,...sorry!
Lets close this chapter for now!

Cheers!
Gunnar

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Red 99 Camaro Z28 Euro-Model, M6, T-Top, Movit/ Porsche GT3 front brakes, Alutec Kyro 8,5x19" wheels, Geiger (H&R) springs, oil intercooler, Dynomax twin exhaust,
BUT THAN I MADE A MESS OF IT and now its gone!


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2001 10:06 am 
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Relatively big trunk (well I haven't seen one live yet, I only know its 365l). Any fotos available??


If you don't fold down the back seats and use only the place as trunk where the T-Tops are stored (if you have a T-Top car) then the trunk is *smaller* than 365 liters, really...

However, it was big enough to swallow the baggage of me and two girls during a 10-day-trip and you know girls take lots of things with them. ;)
But we also used the place right behind the back seats and not only the "real" trunk (it's even smaller if you have T-Tops and the 'holders' for them are there).

I think there are pictures of the Camaro trunk on Andreas' Site:

http://www.sh-home.de/~andreas/camaro.html

Maybe you also get an idea when you look at my pics:

http://www.geoinform.fh-mainz.de/~fischer/camaro/

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Lets close this chapter for now!Gunnar


I agree, let's close it, and reopen it when there are new developments!! :p

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Just wondering if there is anything new. I have seen a 93-97 Camaro (German tags) with a one-piece headlight assembly. Looked pretty good, doesn't stand out but you know that something looks different. Just wondering what it came off of...

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I know its a shame that after almost three years the project headlamp mod is not yet finished. But I spent too much time in China for my company (again another three month from Feb to April) and building a new home for my Z28 with a small workshop.

Most of the headlamp components are actually completed: the illuminated rings by BMW, the levelling system, the compulsary headlight cleaning system, the 4-beam mod and the nice bezels around the Hella high and low beam modules. For better aerodynamics I bought some GTS clear headlight covers which I need to fit to my bezels. I am really keen to finish this year, but right now my garage is unpleasantly cold and I am not really motivated to work on the car.

Definetely I will boast with my mod when it will be finished :wink:

Gunnar

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Red 99 Camaro Z28 Euro-Model, M6, T-Top, Movit/ Porsche GT3 front brakes, Alutec Kyro 8,5x19" wheels, Geiger (H&R) springs, oil intercooler, Dynomax twin exhaust,
BUT THAN I MADE A MESS OF IT and now its gone!


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Sounds like some pretty decent work you've already done there!! If you ever get it done and get it through TÃœV, let me know ...

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That would look so cool. I want the second set. The first one's are either gonna be sold, kept by Gunnar, or messed up. :lol:

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How much do you think you would charge, Gunnar?

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Didn't realize you were always out of country.
Looks like you'll have some buyers for your "new" headlights. But are these being made for the '98 and newer or the '93-'97? I think it would be easier on the newer Camaro's...

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I have copied some pics of the headlamp mod concept here:

http://www.geocities.com/gunnar_lindner ... oncept.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/gunnar_lindner ... _front.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/gunnar_lindner ... nlicht.doc

The idea is simple: take Hella aftermarket modules for low beam (Xenon) and high beam, mount them on a carrier frame made of aluminium profiles and put a nice bezel around those modules.

As I am not proficient in making any free form parts out of glasfiber reinforced plastic or carbon fibre, the Hella sample shop sold the bezel as a laser sinter part, setting me back 1200EUR! You will pay about the same again for the Hella low beam and high beam modules.
So selling and making profit is not an issue. Sorry, but this will be a one of a kind headlamp. To make things really complicated I wanted these BMW illuminated rings, not with the 10W bulb but with a xenon D2S burner. The are MUCH brighter than on the BMWs.
To improve aerodynamics I purchased GTS headlight covers, which need a protective clear coat for scratch resistance. To make them fit to my bezel (designed in 3D software CATIA V4) is the last challenge.

Its a pity I had no 3D data of the Camaro body (cross member, bumper, hood, wing etc). This would have made things much easier.

I am sure I will never try to do this again. It has gone over the top.
But I like it...

Gunnar

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Red 99 Camaro Z28 Euro-Model, M6, T-Top, Movit/ Porsche GT3 front brakes, Alutec Kyro 8,5x19" wheels, Geiger (H&R) springs, oil intercooler, Dynomax twin exhaust,
BUT THAN I MADE A MESS OF IT and now its gone!


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Oh dear! The link does not work!
I will send those pics to Garry.

Gary, please can you display them here??

Thanx a lot!
Gunnar

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Until November 2004 I had a:
Red 99 Camaro Z28 Euro-Model, M6, T-Top, Movit/ Porsche GT3 front brakes, Alutec Kyro 8,5x19" wheels, Geiger (H&R) springs, oil intercooler, Dynomax twin exhaust,
BUT THAN I MADE A MESS OF IT and now its gone!


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The pictures don't work! Good luck selling them.. Headlights are not that much of an issue for me. :)

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Hi Jack,
do you actually READ the posts before you answer????

I said the headlamps will NOT be for sale anyway!!

And for the bad link I had given a warning.
Now try this:

http://www.geocities.com/gunnar_lindner/glz28x_1

Gunnar

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Until November 2004 I had a:
Red 99 Camaro Z28 Euro-Model, M6, T-Top, Movit/ Porsche GT3 front brakes, Alutec Kyro 8,5x19" wheels, Geiger (H&R) springs, oil intercooler, Dynomax twin exhaust,
BUT THAN I MADE A MESS OF IT and now its gone!


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Gunnar, try and seel them to a company like APC. Maybe they'll buy the design or something.

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