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diamondduff
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Post subject: 193 horsepower Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2003 11:16 pm |
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Joined: Fri Jan 10, 2003 11:10 pm Posts: 49 Location: Paris, france
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Hi!
I'm new on board and from France....
So V6 193cv...
What'is the difference the 200 horse power in the us?
hi flow converter?
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Roy
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2003 11:22 pm |
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Joined: Sun May 27, 2001 2:52 pm Posts: 5556 Location: Mehlingen,Rhineland Pfalz, Deutschland
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It is the standard that is used to measured horse power.
Europe uses the DIN method for measuring and calculating hp
North America uses the SAE method.
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diamondduff
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Post subject: really? Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2003 11:30 pm |
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Joined: Fri Jan 10, 2003 11:10 pm Posts: 49 Location: Paris, france
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are you sure?
I reed everywhere in magazine that V6 et LS1 loose horsepower in european version (cause of pollution restriction)
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diamondduff
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Post subject: soory i'm think you're worng Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2003 11:43 pm |
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Roy
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2003 12:55 am |
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Joined: Sun May 27, 2001 2:52 pm Posts: 5556 Location: Mehlingen,Rhineland Pfalz, Deutschland
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Well the US has the strictest exhaust emissions in the world for new cars being produced. If any thing I bet there is a pipe restriction in your exhaust to meet Europes stringent noise pollution laws which are some of the toughest in the world.
I just compared emission data from europe and us . It was nearly identical with the us beieing a tad tighter on emissions.
All I can say is it is the way tha GM europe measured it to get the power difference. But I do believe it has something to do with the exhaust being restricted.
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diamondduff
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Post subject: that's it... Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2003 8:04 pm |
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Joined: Fri Jan 10, 2003 11:10 pm Posts: 49 Location: Paris, france
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noise restriction...
do you know where can be located the pipe? (muffler?)
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LuS1fer
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Post subject: Posted: Fri May 30, 2003 2:16 pm |
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Joined: Wed Jan 02, 2002 11:54 am Posts: 866 Location: Cardiff, South Wales, UK
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I believe the quoted power is 200PS which is 193bhp.
The Euro Z28 produces an alleged 288PS or 284bhp attributable to restrictions on the intake and the exhaust. I believe this is due to the fitment of the V6 exhaust which is ghenerally thrown away anyway. The intake I take to mean the airbox and the free ram air mod frees that side up and putting an aftermarket lid or FIPK removes any restrictions I can see.
Overall, the paradox is that the US Z28 claims 305hp but is actually nearer 345 as in the Vette so what that makes the Euro version is anyone's guess. All I know is that Euro Z28's can run just as fast as US Z28's with the usual mods.
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Horst
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Post subject: Difference in performance Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:25 am |
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It seems the difference in rated hp results in a difference in performance. The US spec Camaro 3800s are tested with 15.4 to 16.0 for the quarter mile and 7.5 to 8.0 secs to 60 mph.
Auto Motor Sport tested an A4 Camaro Euro convertible in 1998 with 9.6 secs to 100 kph. The official numbers are 8.8 secs for an A4. That seems to be a lot slower than the cars tested in the US.
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Garry
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 12:47 pm |
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Joined: Sat May 26, 2001 9:59 pm Posts: 7823 Location: Bad Hersfeld, Germany
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Hm ... my 'vert ran a 15.97 once in Bitburg, other than that it were mostly low 16's ... 15.4 is hard to believe with that car ...
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Horst
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Post subject: Yes - US cars seem to be faster Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 4:27 pm |
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US Camaros seem to be significantly faster: None except one of the following magazines tested quarter mile times in the 16th - which seem to be normal for Euro spec Camaro 3800s:
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3800 V6 Performance Times
Magazine tests of 3800 V6-powered F-Bodies.
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As tested in Motor Trend 5/95, (Reprint ID # 7098)
1995 Chevrolet Base Camaro Coupe, 4 speed Automatic, 3.06 Final Drive Ratio/Open Differential, 3800 V-6
-0-60: 7.4 sec.
-1/4 mile: 15.7 sec. @ 88.3 mph
-Braking 60-0: 143 feet
-Lateral Acceleration: 0.81 g
-Slalom Speed: 66.0 mph
-EPA estimated gas mileage: 17 city/ 27 highway
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As tested in Motor Trend 4/95
1995 Pontiac Firebird 3800 V-6, 4 speed Automatic, 3.06 Axle Ratio
-0-60: 7.1 sec.
-1/4 mile: 15.5 sec. @ 86.9 mph
-Braking 60-0: 124 feet
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As tested in Car & Driver 7/95
1995 Chevrolet Camaro T-Top Coupe, 3800 V-6, 4 speed Automatic
-Curb weight: 3418 lb.
-0-60: 7.7 sec.
-0-100: 23.6 sec.
-5-60: 7.7 sec.
-1/4 mile: 15.9 sec. @ 86.0 mph
-Top Speed (electronically limited): 114 mph
-Braking 70-0: 192 feet
-Lateral Acceleration: 0.83 g
-C/D observed fuel economy: 20 mpg
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As tested in GM High-Tech Performance, "Unsung Hero" 11/98
1998 Chevrolet Camaro T-Top Coupe, 3800 V-6, 5-speed manual, 3.23 open differential, 215/60/R16 tires
-1/4 mile: 15.23 sec. @ 89.5 mph
15.37 sec. @ 90.3 mph
15.41 sec. @ 89.8 mph
15.47 sec. @ 89.2 mph
15.03 sec. @ 91.0 mph (air filter & serpentine belt removed)
15.15 sec. @ 90.3 mph (air filter & serpentine belt removed)
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As tested in Car & Driver 2/99, pg 60
1999 Chevrolet Camaro Coupe, 3800 V-6, 5-speed manual, 3.23 axle ratio, Sport Apperance Package
-Curb weight: 3368 lb.
-0-60: 7.7 sec.
-0-100: 24.0 sec.
-5-60: 8.2 sec.
-1/4 mile: 16.1 sec. @ 87 mph
-Top Speed (electronically limited): 116 mph
-Braking 70-0: 182 feet
-Lateral Acceleration: 0.80 g
-Emergency Lane-Change Manuever: 64.3 mph
-C/D observed fuel economy (500 mile trip): 20 mpg
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As tested in Car & Driver 12/00
2001 Chevrolet Camaro SLP RS Coupe, 3800 V-6, Automatic Transmission
-Curb weight: -----3384 lb.
-0-60: -----7.5 sec.
-0-100: -----22.5 sec.
-5-60: -----7.8 sec.
-1/4 mile: -----15.8 sec. @ 86 mph
-Braking 70-0: -----178 feet
-Lateral Acceleration: -----0.81 g
-C/D observed fuel economy: -----25 mpg
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LuS1fer
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 6:16 pm |
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Joined: Wed Jan 02, 2002 11:54 am Posts: 866 Location: Cardiff, South Wales, UK
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The only US test I saw of the 3.8 involved severe abuse and to get it into the 15's entailed disconnecting the ac belt. Hardly representative.
In any event, aren't a lot of US figures theoretical in that they are "corrected for altitude"?
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diamondduff
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Post subject: I've got the answer ! Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 1:18 am |
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Joined: Fri Jan 10, 2003 11:10 pm Posts: 49 Location: Paris, france
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and the solution
European version have quieter mufflers : RPO code VP6 which is described as "noise level control"
Solution : Catback
here is my site:
http://camaro.pougnon.com
Another part of the equation est the PCM : The European cars have RPO code NA7 for "emissions system european".
The PCM (engine control computer) has a specific part number for cars with the NA7 code.
solution: chip
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Horst
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 7:54 am |
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Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2004 3:00 pm Posts: 55
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Bon Jour diamonduff,
so the European PCm has got a different part number. That is interesting.
I checked a RPO code list and found that GM offers all sort of different emission systems - NA2, NA3, NAsomething, you name it. That is probably due to the fact that most of the countries and even some of the states in the US have got different emission requirements.
Do all these different versions have different PCM numbers?
And what does a different PCM number mean? Different hardware or different software? If the latter is the case it would be easy to correct that with a hypertech programmer.
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Roy
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 5:09 am |
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diamondduff
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Post subject: ... Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 2:25 pm |
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Joined: Fri Jan 10, 2003 11:10 pm Posts: 49 Location: Paris, france
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Well I've got my Flowmaster catback!
Really nice sound!
I ran my first 1/4 sunday :
I was disapointed...
but .. well : with a passenger and really bad 60' : my wheels were spining:
and 80 oF ... so that's not too bad for a 6!
1/4 : 15.788
1/8 : 10.188
60 ft: 2.413
RT : .626
There's a video on my website
Horst, you need to change your exhaust!
I can't take an hypertech , I've got a 99 model
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SSZ28
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 6:53 pm |
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Horst
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Post subject: Re: ... Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 8:16 am |
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Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2004 3:00 pm Posts: 55
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[quote="diamondduff"]
Horst, you need to change your exhaust!
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I know, I know.
From what I learned now:
The difference from the Euro V6 muffler to the US muffler is aprox 7 hp.
The difference to the US stock Z28 exhaust is another 5 hp.
With a Flowmaster or similar system the gains are quite substantial.
But: How can I get a muffler other than stock street legal here in Germany???? And: I do not like excessive noice. I´ld like to keep it quite.
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SSZ28
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:45 pm |
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ChrisV6
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 8:01 pm |
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Joined: Sat Oct 13, 2001 4:53 pm Posts: 1041 Location: Erlangen <=> Coburg
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I know like 3 people with german registrations running borla mufflers / cat backs with no problems, not with TUV and not with the Police.
It´s louder than stock, sure, but it´s the way most people expect an american car to sound (and look) like.
The stock 3.8 sounds like it has an electricity powered engine
No average german (TUV inspector) can tell the difference, and some know the difference but don´t complain - because they like it.
I learned not to take the whole street-legal-thing too serious.
Perhaps that´s the wrong way (especially if you live in a bigger town with clever/strict cops), but for me it worked already 4 years.
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SSZ28
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 8:21 pm |
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