F-Body Europe

Hi folks,
Mr Kikenberg (my new trusted car mechanic) told me that the LT1 and LS1 in general do not have enough oil. With hardly 5 litre inside they would die a too early death by overheating. I could not believe it, because water temperature is always normal and the hp/litre ratio is ridicously low (about 55hp/litre, sorry cannot find my pocket calculator right now!).
Anyway he convinced me to install a oil filter relocation set with a double filter and an intercooler which will be installed in front of the a/c intercooler.
With prospect to coming engine mods it can only harm my wallet.
Not yet sure about the price, maybe all together for 300EUR.

My aim is having a reliable Autobahn racer, the quarter mile is not so interesting for me.
Have you heard about some oil temperature problems?

Cheers
Gunnar

Extended driving at wide open throttle the oil temperature will climb above the recommended max 260 farenheit real fast.

So Roy, are you gonna do something about it?
I guess you also like fast driving, not like Miss Cruiselina

BTW, what size do your Movit rotors have?
I ordered the 330mm dia rotors.

I hope that also the problem with extensive dust from the pads will go.
The current stock GM pads are POS: after 8000km they are almost gone and the wheels are black from dust after 100km.
Now everybody probably thinks that I am driving like a maniac. But I never dare an Autobahn chase because of the sh!t brakes.

Waiting for warmer temperature: Open T-Top is a good speed limiter!
Gunnar

I don't know how fast you drive but Scott Settlemire, the assistant Brand Manager for the Camaro and Corvette with GM, said that the LS1 should be oK for extended cruising up to at least 125mph. Just FWIW. I don't know if he is right or not, but he is in a position to know.

125mph wouldn't be the problem . It would be the high rpms that is associated with it.

Gunnar my rotors are just like yours front 330X34 rear 321X32 . As for dusting It all depends on the pad compound. Although the stock Porsche compound is made by either Jurid or Textar , it will dust when aggressively used. BTW stock replacement pads fom Porsche is 350Euro . Its best to at the local autoteile for 75-100Euro. I you don't mind the squeal get the PAGID RS4-4(orange) ,
In town these pads will bring attention to the big money that you invested into the stopping powere of your Fbody . On the track there phenominal in their ability to slow down a 3600 lb beast time after time after time. Although I did read the warning that these pads were not legal for street use.

Hey Gunnar,

I would recommend EBC Greenstuff pads. Low dust and they work great! Quick Time Performance carries them, if you are interested. Here is a link to the pads. http://www.quicktimeperformance.com/ls1brakes.htm#LS1%20Brake%20Pads

Roy, when driving on the N'ring, I always have the rpms between 4000 and 6000. However, I never do more then 2 laps (that's 2x 20 km) in a row. Could that already be a problem for the engine?

Ben

Ben, how many km do you have on your car? If it hasn't hurt it yet, I wouldn't think it is going to. Normally if overheated oil is going to cause problems, it doesn't take too long for it to happen. These engines aren't as weak as some people think they are.

Kc10a, my car has about 27000 km so far.

Ben

Bn I would worry more about the transmission and the rear end. . THe ring is not a constant state o full power . You have esses offcambers,corners and sweepers that keep that from happening. Now if it was like Taladega then the problems would arise.

I personally wouldn't worry about it too much if you have made it that far. That doesn't mean that I am an expert though. I'm just a firm believer in driving a car like you want to. Why have it if you can't enjoy it. The drag strip is probably much harder on them. If you are really worried about it, then get an oil cooler, but I personally think you will be OK. If you would like a more knowledgeable opinion, go on the SLP Forum or LS1Tech forum and put a post on there. There are some really knowledgeable people on those. You might also see if you can find a web site for the Bragg-Smith driving school and contact them to see of they modified their cars. They taught performance driving on a road course and used the Camaro SS. I think they were stock, but I am not sure.

Heh KC10A, my cruising speed at the Autobahn would be 135mph, if the people would let me pass. This is what sixth gear will bring. With 5th gear surely it will run faster, but than the fuel gauge drops the pointer

Brake pads: Wow 350EUR for one Porsche set
What do you mean by local Autoteile? ATU?
Anyway surely I will look for alternatives when the time comes.
Thanx for this Greenthing pad stuff advice! I will check out.

I will go for the oil intercooler....

Roy, I will let the rear brakes being stock. Movit in front should be sufficient for now. Need all the money for suspension upgrades....

Tschüß!
Gunnar

Gunnar, if you are doing that speed in 6th gear then the rpms should be even below 4000/min... right? And nevertheless the oil temperature is too high??

BTW, do you have manual or automatic transmission?

Ben

Hopefully you are running a synthetic oil, then there won't be as much of a problem. I use Mobile 1 5w-30 and have no problems, even at running at extended periods of time at high revs on the 'bahn.

Sixth @ 135mph=aboout 3100 rpms.

in excel format http://fbodyeurope.org/gallery/8_Book1.xls just right click and save. Change your tire size and gear ratios to match what you got.

I've run mine at 125-130 for miles on end and the temperature gauge has never wavered off the quarter mark. I just changed the Castrol RS 0w-30 oil at 4500 miles. It looked so good, I was almost tempted to put it back in but went for a 5w-40 as I was getting a tappy tappet which hopefully this will stop. So far, so much better.

I've got 25,000 miles on my Firechicken and have used Mobil 1 since day one. I am on it all the time, keeping it wound pretty tight and have had ZERO problems with the motor. I change the oil around 4000 miles and it still looks great. Having an oil cooler is just added protection.

Hi Roy,
thanx for this table but changing gear ratios is not yet on the schedule!

Hi Ben,
my Z28 has got the Minardi 7 gear semiautomatic paddleshift gearbox,
..no, only joking
Off course I got the M6, because the Auto has only 4 gears. Remember: I was writing about running in 6th gear.

I am using 10W-40 and change every 10000km.
I am surprised that some of you are using fully synthetic oil and change around 4000-5000 mls.
Mr Kikenberg told me that this oil overheating will not be realized by the driver, because oil pressure and water temperature are okay.
I should read oil specification, whether fully synthetic oil can withstand higher temps.

Tschüß!
Gunnar

Ah, I thought you have the new A6 automatic, LOL.


I was using Mobil 1 0W40 from the beginning and now tried Mobil 1 10W40 and have had no oil consumption since then.

Ben