F-Body Europe

Ok so On the 16th of April I ship to Ft. Benning in GA to do basic training for US army...After that I goto Gordon for 43 weeks of training..Then I Hope to god I get to goto germany..If I get there..Are the SS's/Z28's either A. Cheaper or B. Eurospec meaning more power ..just say yes.. anyhow I am trying to figure out if I should pick up this SS i was lookin at a few days ago..or just wait till Germany... Any help would be appriciated...

Afraid not cheaper and the eurospec is 288 hp but its only due to the exhaust so put a cat back on um and away you go.

Get it!! You can't even get a Euro spec SS.. Good luck..

I was just asking about getting it there or finding it here. Euro Spec or not..it's not like It'l stay factory specs Euro or American anyhow. Thanks for the info.

They pretty much gave it to you straight from the hip.

1. There is no such thing as a Euro SS

2. They dont have same factory HP let alone more.

3. They are so way not cheaper in europe than in the states.

Buy it in the states, take it overseas and get with some of these smart people to help you make it scream.

Cya
Rob

Ditto

Except don't kill yourself on the autobahn like the fat kid in the candy store does.

I've been On the autobahn, I know the idea of the empty winding road are basically folk lore now a days..I didnt' say I was new to driving..Just to Camaros...

Well I'd like to know the answer to this perennial question. I raised this issue on LS1.com about the relative power outputs and the following answer was given:

"No, no, no" it began, actually "NO, NO, NO" before going on to say the Euro car puts out 288 PS and that a PS was MORE than an American HP which is apparently different to an English BHP. The suggestion was that the power output of 288PS was not far off an American 305HP. The performance figures are almost identical and within the range of statistical (in)significance. So again, does anyone actually know????? Has anyone actually dynoed a Euro-spec Z28? Any mathematicians out there?
AND besides the argument about the LS1 being really a lot more than 305hp then it would make sense as to why even a Euro spec LS1 is SO very much faster than a 275/285bhp LT1.
Would it not?

Well I'd like to know the answer to this perennial question. I raised this issue on LS1.com about the relative power outputs and the following answer was given:

"No, no, no" it began, actually "NO, NO, NO" before going on to say the Euro car puts out 288 PS and that a PS was MORE than an American HP which is apparently different to an English BHP. The suggestion was that the power output of 288PS was not far off an American 305HP. The performance figures are almost identical and within the range of statistical (in)significance. So again, does anyone actually know????? Has anyone actually dynoed a Euro-spec Z28? Any mathematicians out there?
AND besides the argument about the LS1 being really a lot more than 305hp then it would make sense as to why even a Euro spec LS1 is SO very much faster than a 275/285bhp LT1.
Would it not?

Well I'd like to know the answer to this perennial question. I raised this issue on LS1.com about the relative power outputs and the following answer was given:

"No, no, no" it began, actually "NO, NO, NO" before going on to say the Euro car puts out 288 PS and that a PS was MORE than an American HP which is apparently different to an English BHP. The suggestion was that the power output of 288PS was not far off an American 305HP. The performance figures are almost identical and within the range of statistical (in)significance. So again, does anyone actually know????? Has anyone actually dynoed a Euro-spec Z28? Any mathematicians out there?
AND besides the argument about the LS1 being really a lot more than 305hp then it would make sense as to why even a Euro spec LS1 is SO very much faster than a 275/285bhp LT1.
Would it not?

Well I'd like to know the answer to this perennial question. I raised this issue on LS1.com about the relative power outputs and the following answer was given:

"No, no, no" it began, actually "NO, NO, NO" before going on to say the Euro car puts out 288 PS and that a PS was MORE than an American HP which is apparently different to an English BHP. The suggestion was that the power output of 288PS was not far off an American 305HP. The performance figures are almost identical and within the range of statistical (in)significance. So again, does anyone actually know????? Has anyone actually dynoed a Euro-spec Z28? Any mathematicians out there?
AND besides the argument about the LS1 being really a lot more than 305hp then it would make sense as to why even a Euro spec LS1 is SO very much faster than a 275/285bhp LT1.
Would it not?

All I can say is at the track my 93 a4 went 14.4 my 93 m6 went 14.3 and my U.Sspec 98 m6 went 13.9 and a buddy of mine has a 2000 euro spec a4 which when stock went 14.0 then he put a cat back on it and went 13.75.
The track is allways a good test.

Buy it and let the Army ship it to Germany. The only f-body you can get new here is the Z28 or V-6 no new firebirds or TA's.

1 PS = .986 hp
So 288ps = 284 hp
305hp = 309.xx PS
At least that is what my master converter tells me.

The reason the Euro camaro has less horse power is the restrictive V6 exhaust put on them so that they pass the tough noise pollution restrictions.

At last, a definitive reply. Thanks Roy.
And thanks Ian for pointing out it makes no real difference.
Actually, I was banking on 14.0 standard but that catback is definitely calling my name.

two further questions

what is PS?
what is the difference between hp and Bhp?

I have checked the Euro brochure and the LS1 is rated at 212kW and 288hp.

I always understood it was the big back box on the exhaust that restricted the 17hp.

You mean black box don't ya(actually is aluminum in color and is in the engine compartment on passenger side. for countries that use 3way cats Camaros the PCM programing is the same.

I think he meant the rear silencer Roy.
It is important to know the difference between the front black box and the very restrictive back box. hehe.

That must be a englisch saying. So backbox= muffler, bonnet= Hood, fag =cigaratte. Did I miss any?

Oh yeah what is up with a confection called Marmite? Those commercials make me bust a gut everytime I watch them.

Man this is confusing (or I admit I left my brain in the Z28!!)

So, correct me if I'm wrong:
1 - english HP (or PS) is not as "strong" as HP (is this metric hp?).
2 - PS is not HP which is also not BHP.

Is HP different again to RWHP? I have heard the transmission/drive robs about 50HP to the RW - is this correct?

And, so far we have not established what the BHP rating is of the LS1 is - does anyone know this figure?

Man, I'm spinning - all these TLA's!!!!

Rob - I like your humour - Marmite is a love/hate thing!! You missed a few equivalents - gas=petrol, fender=wheel arch, trunk=boot. This could be a good thread. What about the spelling difference, liter=litre, color=colour setc.

And finally, is it the back muffler or the 'black box' (PCM) that lowers the HP?

Look forward to hearing some more answers.
Regards
Richard