F-Body Europe

You mean Hockenheim and Nuerburg?

Ben

That's right Ben! It'll be cool to see a bunch of fbods tearing it up.

I'm so there, dude!

you guys are talking some good stuff.

I've been there too. that Ring Fever never goes away.

when Silas, WHEN?

OK, someone comes to pick up a bare block and it still has the internals. Then someone that does not even own the parts says "I'll take the loss" and it's considered acceptable to just take the parts????? (Can someone else give away your parts???) At the very least I would have expected the person to return the internals after they had removed them (since they did not buy them). Say what you want but as far as I'm concerned if you buy a bare block you get a bare block, no excuses in the world can justify taking, keeping (and using??) the additional parts.

Nova. I hear you loud and clear. Like I said though Tony made that decision. He knowingly knew the blk was sold yet still assembled it. Now if he wants to be morale about you are absolutely right.
I was just giving the jist of the story ALOT more took place behind the scenes you are not aware of only the ones involved.

This isn't a one time event here. Lets just say there is some history here w/ all of this.

All I can say is he had a deadline and the time to take it apart put something back together w/ dead-on accuracy was not in his favor. He's been gone now for over 2 mos. and could very well be gone for another 6-9 if go play in the sand w/ IRAQ. He pcs's 03 OCT so you get the idea time isn't on his side. It is just unfornate that it came out this way by him being told to "take it". He asked more times than I can count and we were there for over 2 hrs. Everyone can be considered here at fault to some degree.

I'd still would be at someone else's throat for giving away my parts that are paid for regardless even if Dave SCRAPPED the 383 project..

Hopefully when he returns he'll speak for himself which he will.

holy crap
I think Dave, Ryan & Tony need to talk. Bottom line Dave needs to get his car running.
Story I got was Tony ordered a engine for Dave when it showed up it was non LT1 style. Tony tried to get it squared away with the use of daves old block just about got it Ryan bought the block and its a race ready 383 with all forged internals. I was under the impression that tony and dave made a deal and it was all OK. I see the problem so now what can we do about it.

I sure as heck know what I'd do about it, but I'm not really involved, so I'll just keep my mouth shut.

Man I said I was gonna stay outta of this. You are right Bruce they do need to talk about it but believe me it will get ugly. Folks got wronged in this predicament. Like I said all the clues are in Daves post. I call it like I see it.

But you know what? I'll put some facts down.
#1 No blk was ever ordered meaning this incorrect LT1.
#2 No blk was ordered again for the 2nd time.
#3 Alleged blk ordered was ner ordered rather comes from a Donor 2nd Gen Camaro LT-1
#4 Not compatible w/ 4th Gen's require too much modifaction since it's older style 350 w/ distrubutor and not computer controlled via PCM. Motor mounts aren't in same location either nor does clutch mate to LT1 style (4th gen) by the time all is said and done w/ modifying you'd have bought another rot assembly 383 and then some.

#5 How do I know all this? 10 mos ago 2nd gen was brought in. Vehicle recked from owner couldn't handle the power. Engine was a 383 built by Lingenfelter can't verify that part though. I mentioned the Lingenfelter Intank Pizza box. If any knows their worth....it's alot they sale for 1000 bucks. He told Ryan he had a 383 for sale when we go there to look at it it's sitting in a 2nd Gen camaro. Told em right then and there it won't work w/our cars w/ out serios modding. Assured us it would.
Car dissappears. We go to pick up the blk and he shows us a 383 Longblock he built for Dave sitting on a pallet. What do ya know it's the same 383 that was in the 2nd Gen intake, wires, injectors, and all minus headers. We played stupid of course because I guess he thinks we are or don't have any memory of it.

Now if I'm WRONG I'll apologize to all involved over the board in person whatever. BUT there is a better chance of you hitting the lottery than me being wrong. I'll put my Moma's name on this one

Here is what happended yesterday. I got ahold of Tony. I told him I was completely displeased with the situation. I also told him I found proof that it would be major $$$ and a PITA to put that motor in my car. I want a LT1 shortblock ordered or my $3600 back. But preferably my $3600. He got mad and asked me "So I'm doing all this reasearch for nothing huh?" I said yes. I don't want that motor. He then tells me "Ok, I have to do some figuring. Get back with me on the weekend." What figuring is what I'm curious about. Plain and simple, I gave him $3600 for a product and recieved squat. As far as a mystery block, I'm not sure. I know he was working on a block while I was there. Maybe that was someone elses. I don't know. Bottom line is I wand the $3600 so I can order what I want. I don't know if I can even afford to do the 383 now. I can still get a short block from Nu-Tek for about $3650. But then I need heads and cam. And that's not the end of it. I'm researching my options.

I never knew about this deal. You told me Tony put those internals in my stock block. The fix. Well I need an engine. Does someone know of an LT1 engine for sale? Better yet, a short block or just a plain block. Then I could put a high end head/cam package on it. Or if just a block, order a 355 forged blower rotating assymbly. But either way, I don't see me affording a 9" this year. All this is assuming I get some $$$ back from Tony. If he totally screws me I don't know what I will do.

Well, keeping my fingers crossed for any decent solution, Dave ... would be nice to have you rolling with the rest of the F-Body folks again ...

seems you're not the only one...

I know somebody got a different transmission back instead the fixed one, somehow it did not match as it did before, but was workable.

My Dodge I seen already 6 month before I bought it, but could not get a hold of the owner to look at it closely, he did not show up at appointments.
Then I was in somebodys shop as he told me about a Dodge and talking about it I realized it was the same one, so I questioned why he never showed up, and since T said this would be a great car... well, I bought the car kind of per phone right there for the money T told me to pay. Later on I was told by several trustworth other people that I paid at least 1500/2000 too much... and T never seen the car. I still like the type of car but it should be in a lot better shape for the money I paid. Lesson learned.
Since that Dodge was moving all over the street, control arm bushings, ball joints etc. needed to be replaced. Therefore it was in the shop, and I said that I do not want any russians to work on my car.
I was asked if I trust, and if I did I should trust his decision whom to give the job to do... the parts to be replaced were already delivered with the car and in the trunk. The car was supposed to be ready for the second, then for the third Bitburg event. However, few days later per phonecall, those parts in the trunk would not fit, ordering new ones necessary. (why..? it was the original ones ) so I ordered them by a german dealer in baumholder for 250, they arrived after the Bitburg event of course, and T told me then that he had already ordered some and put them in. ...ok?
Then some words started spreading that parts out of my 84 camaro sitting down there would be available... so I decided really quickly to pick up my cars in one Friday afternoon action. 84 on the trailer behind the truck, me following with the Dodge. Wondering, that car is a little better driving but still kind of moving wherever it wants... and I managed it to hit the curbing in a gasstation. ok, I took the blaim, I am not experienced in driving such a car. Headers need to be replaced. Taking the Dodge apart at my house, we discovered 1. the parts out of the trunk were gone, so 2. which did get build in? the new ordered ones (if there was) or the parts already been in the trunk? and 3. The balljoints are welded in (to make them stay?) and 4. therefore the other front parts ruined also...
So I got to expect while cruising that the pieces just fall apart and the car hits the ground as soon that welded spots are breaking...
Don't really feel like driving it like that.

I really believe Tony wants to be helpful. But I rather try to work on my own and blaim myself if something goes wrong.

Well, the tranny was re-worked (even talked to the place that did it), and from what I was able to tell till now it's fine, just not mine ... oh well ...

Damn Sq. I remember some of that too talking to you at Bitburg. Well it seems we have a pattern.....

Dave? Researching? What exactly? I know snails crawling uphill w/ a rock on it's back can move faster. I may have a block for you I just got to get ahold of him and find out if he ever did anything w/ it and if not I'll see about getting it. I'll let you know sometime tomorrow.......

Dennis, you did make sure I got your engine, right?
That is why I wanted you to be there when Rick picked it up at Tony's.
Not that I end up with somebody elses 383...
(Well, Rick was always thinking/saying it was a 383?)

I 'm agreeing with JACKZ28.

Well I'm trying to keep my options open. Someone I know here (the guy that painted John's car (Mark Libida)) had a complete LT1 engine for sale a while back. I was thinking he still might have it. Just as my luck goes it was sold last week. So I go searching on cz28 and today I find several prospects. The main one is a forged 355 short block set up for blower application. I have already got the guy to agree to a price. Now I just need the $$$ and shipping info for both me and him. I really want this short block. The price is $2500.

I was researching whether or not to do a full 383 like I originally wanted or find a stocker and put a head/cam package on it. Or if I really get spunky, make it a forged 355 blower set-up. Regardless I have about $2000 I can spend plus what T gives me. But I can't count on $$$ from him. All I can do is hope he does what is right.

Let me know dude. Is it in Germany? I need as many options as possible. Thanks for the help.