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AutobahnZ06GT
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Post subject: Engine Oil fill for road racing LS1/LS6 engines Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:58 am |
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Joined: Fri Apr 04, 2003 6:59 pm Posts: 118 Location: Heidelberg
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http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38987
This is a great article about filling engine oil before road racing your car and why you need to do it. Also the oil pan is as close to a dry sump system you can get. Their is a dry sump that Katech offers for all engines.
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Roy
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:34 am |
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Joined: Sun May 27, 2001 2:52 pm Posts: 5556 Location: Mehlingen,Rhineland Pfalz, Deutschland
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98 T/A raptor
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:09 am |
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Joined: Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:24 am Posts: 501 Location: sembach germeny
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I have never even heard of this before good to know if I ever get my car running again.
_________________ 98 Trans Am
3500 Stall, lid bellows, headers off road y pipe, flowmaster cat back, 150 shot dual stage nitrous express, Ls1 Speed tunning (Georgia)
2000 WS6 RIP
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Garry
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:57 am |
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Joined: Sat May 26, 2001 9:59 pm Posts: 7823 Location: Bad Hersfeld, Germany
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Wow, cool info ... good to know! Does this also apply to the stock LS1 oil pan?
While on the subject, what are you running in your engines? The Firehawk manual calls for 5W30 ... guess I need to pick up two gallons for the engine upgrade ...
_________________ Garry Glendown * '99 Firehawk Convertible
"Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall and torque is how far you take the wall with you." "Speed doesn't kill - suddenly becoming stationary on the other hand ..."
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98 T/A raptor
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:07 am |
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Joined: Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:24 am Posts: 501 Location: sembach germeny
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I run 10w30 mobile 1
_________________ 98 Trans Am
3500 Stall, lid bellows, headers off road y pipe, flowmaster cat back, 150 shot dual stage nitrous express, Ls1 Speed tunning (Georgia)
2000 WS6 RIP
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BenZ28
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:09 am |
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Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2001 3:53 pm Posts: 2485 Location: Mainz, Germany
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Garry (and Nick) it's known that the 10W30 and 5W30 thin out very quickly. That's why I'm using M1 0W40 since "forever" as this is made from much much better "base oils" and will not have that effect. Additionally the numbers alone tell you it's thicker at high temps that the *W30 oils.
Ben
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jeejee
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:19 am |
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Joined: Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:02 am Posts: 658 Location: the Netherlands
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this applies to the vette sump , mut not so much to the F-body sump does it ?
Roy, what viscosity oil do you run ?
regards, Joeri
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Roy
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:53 am |
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Joined: Sun May 27, 2001 2:52 pm Posts: 5556 Location: Mehlingen,Rhineland Pfalz, Deutschland
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I run 15w50 in the summer (9qts of it for a fill) and and a mix of 15w50 and 5w30 in the winter.
And yes for Fbody pans you should add the extra qt if you pulling some pretty good G forces.
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Garry
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:54 am |
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Joined: Sat May 26, 2001 9:59 pm Posts: 7823 Location: Bad Hersfeld, Germany
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is it 9qts because the LS1 pan for F-Bodies is larger than the LS6 pan on the vette?
_________________ Garry Glendown * '99 Firehawk Convertible
"Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall and torque is how far you take the wall with you." "Speed doesn't kill - suddenly becoming stationary on the other hand ..."
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AutobahnZ06GT
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:58 am |
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Joined: Fri Apr 04, 2003 6:59 pm Posts: 118 Location: Heidelberg
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I had a long response but my popup at work or whatever ate my logon and when I posted, it lost all of the data, so a quick rundown on the article:
It applies to both LS1 and LS6 for filling 1 extra quart for racing. The oil pan differences between the Ls1 and LS6 allow that the oil stay in the top of the pan and thus in the block longer after racing has ended.
Both LS1 vette and Fbody oilpans allow for limited scavngeing whereas the LS6 has higher ability, other wise the LS1 and LS6 race car drivers need to add 1 quart to race safely.
Ideally, this http://www.lingenfelter.com/store/arels1pan.html which is for both LS1 and LS6 engines woudl be great, but you lose AC.
Katech no longer has the drysump kit on their web page..hmmm.
_________________ 04 LS6 block, random tech high flow cats, Vararam air intake, LAPD carbon fiber power duct, C6 Z06 shifter, RD motorsports crossbar & 5 Point Harness, GM T1 sway bars, 04 Sachs shocks, Movit brakes, carbon fiber high rise hood, magnason blower
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AutobahnZ06GT
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:00 pm |
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Joined: Fri Apr 04, 2003 6:59 pm Posts: 118 Location: Heidelberg
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Garry, that should be correct, I can post that on the Z06vette forum and ask the guy if that would be correct, however, I understand that all of the LS1's and LS6's no matter what car benefit from the extra oil, so if you have a 8 quart pan, than 9 would be correct.
Roy, might know more.
_________________ 04 LS6 block, random tech high flow cats, Vararam air intake, LAPD carbon fiber power duct, C6 Z06 shifter, RD motorsports crossbar & 5 Point Harness, GM T1 sway bars, 04 Sachs shocks, Movit brakes, carbon fiber high rise hood, magnason blower
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Roy
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:05 pm |
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Joined: Sun May 27, 2001 2:52 pm Posts: 5556 Location: Mehlingen,Rhineland Pfalz, Deutschland
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Garry on my the xtra capacity comes from my oil cooler lines and oil cooler plus the big 1 quart Ford FL1 (FramPH8) oil filter. I believe the stock Fbody LS1 Pan is 5.5 qts to get it to the full mark.
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98 T/A raptor
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:10 pm |
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Joined: Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:24 am Posts: 501 Location: sembach germeny
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Roy wrote: I believe the stock Fbody LS1 Pan is 5.5 qts to get it to the full mark.
That's right
_________________ 98 Trans Am
3500 Stall, lid bellows, headers off road y pipe, flowmaster cat back, 150 shot dual stage nitrous express, Ls1 Speed tunning (Georgia)
2000 WS6 RIP
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Garry
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:14 pm |
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Joined: Sat May 26, 2001 9:59 pm Posts: 7823 Location: Bad Hersfeld, Germany
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so, what does that extra quart add up to, like 1cm or what on the dipstick?
_________________ Garry Glendown * '99 Firehawk Convertible
"Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall and torque is how far you take the wall with you." "Speed doesn't kill - suddenly becoming stationary on the other hand ..."
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Roy
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:24 pm |
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Joined: Sun May 27, 2001 2:52 pm Posts: 5556 Location: Mehlingen,Rhineland Pfalz, Deutschland
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Garry
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:39 pm |
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Joined: Sat May 26, 2001 9:59 pm Posts: 7823 Location: Bad Hersfeld, Germany
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Tnx!
_________________ Garry Glendown * '99 Firehawk Convertible
"Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall and torque is how far you take the wall with you." "Speed doesn't kill - suddenly becoming stationary on the other hand ..."
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