F-Body Europe

KC10A · **Posted:** Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:39 pm

Good one!!!

93_Z28_Guy · **Posted:** Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:53 pm

for these reasons, im trying to get trained to do the vehicle inspections (perks of being VM) i have just been hearing way too many BS fails...hear at spang one of the Germans in vehicle inspections is cool and one is a Dbag.

hotrodredneck · **Posted:** Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:00 pm

I fail to see how a STOCK OEM SYSTEM would not pass. Fuggin BS if you ask me. Stupid pricks

ralliartist · **Posted:** Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:07 am

I'm not looking forward to getting my car inspected. Will they fail me for having a cutout? Even if the cutout is closed off with a plate?

And can they tell the difference between a resonator and a cat. converter?

Chevroletfreak · **Posted:** Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:52 am

SRZ wrote:

Time for a Borla and cap one side off.

Sup Silas! Good though, buuuuuuttttt thats what I've got. No dice there unless utilized with a bag and 1/2 of steel wool and a cone.

Garry wrote:

I wonder what jealous POS wrote up those regulations ... if a car is in stock condition and the manufacturer got it passed as being street-legal, there shouldn't be any such regulations deeming it not legal ...

Absolutely! There apparently is not anyone fighting against whoever is making the regs. I think they just accept whatever is thrown at them and go with it.

93_Z28_Guy wrote:

for these reasons, im trying to get trained to do the vehicle inspections (perks of being VM) i have just been hearing way too many BS fails...hear at spang one of the Germans in vehicle inspections is cool and one is a Dbag.

Get in there man! Make a difference and make it better for everyone!

hotrodredneck wrote:

I fail to see how a STOCK OEM SYSTEM would not pass. Fuggin BS if you ask me. Stupid pricks

Agreed entirely. Apparently, Mustang GT's and Neon SRT8's are already at 95 dB right off the showroom floor. That is why they changed the reg from 74 dB!

ralliartist wrote:

I'm not looking forward to getting my car inspected. Will they fail me for having a cutout? Even if the cutout is closed off with a plate?

I was going to say "If they find it.....it will fail

". However, I cannot seem to find it in the reg anymore. Maybe they forgot that part :ok:

ralliartist wrote:

And can they tell the difference between a resonator and a cat. converter?

That does not matter at all. Both are acceptable. I have neither

Of course I don't even have a motor right now. Thats beside the point.

93_Z28_Guy · **Posted:** Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:41 pm

well i was looking in to it today and you have to be a 7 level to do that "He said POOP". but as of know we have no fill in for the German holidays so depending on who they train to work over there you could get hooked up....we got a lot of people that think the regs are complete BS but we also got a few people that drink the AF cool-aid and are WAY to by the books....but ill be pulling every string i can since my car cant even pass!

hotrodredneck · **Posted:** Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:57 am

I've been writing and calling all the way up the chain to no avail.

a10beav · **Posted:** Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:44 pm

Chevroletfreak wrote:

I'll be damned. It did not say it in previous editions, but the new Reg does say that even the manufacture installed systems must be below 95 db. This is freakin' rediculous. Here is the exerpt:

All exhaust systems (manufacturer installed, or after-market) of motorcycles and automobiles will be inspected for noise levels according to the procedures in paragraph C-25. Motor vehicles exceeding the noise level of 95 decibels will be rejected.

According to the American, Speech-Language-Hearing Association:

100 dB = snowmobile, chain saw, pneumatic drill
90 dB = lawnmower, shop tools, truck traffic, subway

Mind you the 95 dB is at 1/2 your redline.

Johnny, FYI. Here is the limits for height. Are you really below this?

c. Minimum body ground clearance must not be less than 8 centimeters (3.15") for flexible body parts such as ground-effect spoilers or air dams and 11 centimeters (4.33") for hard parts such as exhaust, frame components, and suspension.

Hey guys, I've been out all week.

Yes, I knew about the 11cm, that's the part that failed me. I have BMRs Extreme torque arm and that has a low mounting cross-member, plus it dips below the exhaust pipe. I think my headers might be below 11cm as well, but they didn't measure that the first time (the fail comment didn't specify what they measured). Anybody have a set of stock coils?

The new exhaust rule is absolute BS, I didn't realize they were applying it to stock exhausts. Everybody is on orders to be here, if a car passes US regulations then it shouldn't be any different here. I'm seriously considering filing an IG complaint on that one.

chieftransam · **Posted:** Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:58 pm

I wished somebody would do something about this crap....soon we won't even be allowed to drive our cars. They'll come up with more crap/rules/reasons to fail us or to keep us from driving them.

hotrodredneck · **Posted:** Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:09 pm

aint that the truth....maybe we can use the USAREUR CG open door policy?

SRZ · **Posted:** Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:41 pm

hotrodredneck wrote:

SRZ wrote:

Time for a Borla and cap one side off.

Man, I'm so glad to NOT be going through that shite. I left just in time. I hate it for you guys over there, what a way to kill a beautiful tour.

what are you talking about Silas...your car never needed inspection, it sat on jack stands most of its life :pat:

That may be true but she passed Inspection every yr I was there! Got to remember too, I was deployed 4 times in te 8 yrs I was there. Still no excuse. She was operational when she needed to be.

Chevroletfreak · **Posted:** Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:42 pm

a10beav wrote:

I'm seriously considering filing an IG complaint on that one.

I have also contemplated the same thing. I think it is the only route to go.

ralliartist · **Posted:** Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:59 am

So can anyone confirm the cutout? My cutout has a plate and I use a new gasket everytime I close it. I only open it for track visits (or if I'm randomly bored, lol) so can anyone confirm that a cutout would fail the inspection???? I'd like to know before I get there that way I can get it replaced if I have to.

hotrodredneck · **Posted:** Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:42 am

it will fail. I know a guy who had cutouts on his car before and even though they were sealed, they failed him

chieftransam · **Posted:** Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:05 am

I had one on my TA before I got here and I was told that I had to remove it. I was told it was considered an exhaust leak!?!!??!

a10beav · **Posted:** Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:01 am

I believe the reg lists cut-outs as illegal.

Can anyone list how these compare to the TUV inspections? I think it would be best to argue how our requirements shouldn't be worse than local regulations. Do vehicle manufacturers have a height requirement?

BenZ28 · **Posted:** Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:53 am

a10beav wrote:

I believe the reg lists cut-outs as illegal.
Can anyone list how these compare to the TUV inspections?

Concerning dB/noise limits:
No limit that is measured on a vehicle which is not moving. There is a limit but it has to be measured on MOVING vehicles.

Concerning the cut-outs:
We can have street-legal exhaust systems with exhaust valves which control the noise. So I'd assume cut-outs, when closed at the relevant speeds (see above: noise limits) are legal...?

Concerning the ground clearance:
"...and 11 centimeters (4.33") for hard parts such as exhaust..."
I know where they got this from: VdTÃœV 751 Appendix II, Paragraph 5.1.9 basically says this. BUT this is a recommendation for the TÃœV inspector, not a strict rule or law.

Chevroletfreak · **Posted:** Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:11 am

Where can we find the rules for the TUV? Are they online somewhere......maybe in English(yeah right).

In regards to the cutout. The reg used to say that you cannot have one, but I cannot find it. I can tell you that I made it through with my e-cutout, but it is hidden pretty well. They may not have seen it.

Garry · **Posted:** Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:19 am

Here's at least one link:

http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bunde ... gesamt.pdf

Didn't check how current it is ...

StVZO is the key word ... "StraÃŸenverkehrszulassungsordnung" ...

I agree that requirements shouldn't be stricter than either US or German regulations ... so, worst case, apply the stricter regulation of the two ...

BenZ28 · **Posted:** Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:12 am

Here are 2 links concerning the German inspection (in German):

http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stvzo ... i_132.html
http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stvzo ... a_133.html

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