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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 8:08 am 
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What is the safety standards at bitburg

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Either check the Website, or use NHRA/DMSB/FIA docs, as we use their safety specs ... except that we require everybody to wear a helmet ... (OK, spectators we let slide, they do not really have to ... :lol:)

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The main thing I was worried about is running faster than 11.99 and needing a roll cage.

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14 seconds rollbar for convertibles


that is my problem

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You should have left the V6 in ;) :lol:

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Garry, can I run in Bitbug with german tempory license tags ? Couldn't find anything on the website about it

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I'm pretty sure you can. Don't see any reason you can't, but that's just me.

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interests me too @temporary license. my tüv goes only till august and i dont think i'll go there this year since i drive the car only till october.

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Jens wrote:
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14 seconds rollbar for convertibles


that is my problem


See it the other way round - my problems is running anything close to 14s... :lol:


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yeah, but i don´t want a rollbar. That is the same like driving VW Golf Convertible :crazy:

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so what about the plates? :D

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@Jens, you dont know if your car is faster then 14 thats why I think there wont be a problem for you to drive at least once at bitburg and get your ET! ;)

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For you 'vert guys out there, NHRA had to adopt new rules concerning stock convertibles running 13.99 and quicker. As long as the car does not have any performance modifications to it, it is not required a roll bar. We can thank the LS1 cars and cobras for this rule.


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CandyMan wrote:
so what about the plates? :D


yea Garry, what about the plates ?

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Temporary plates are OK, car will run in Open class then ...
Edit: Oops, confused modified and open again ... sorry ;)

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http://1on1-motorsports.de/mambo45/content/view/2/102/#english
temp plates (yellow or red) are allowed = "Modified Streetmachines"

In the "Heads-Up" you run whoever you want,
in the Brackets you will run in the "Modified Streetmachines" even when the car is 100% stock.

the "Open" is for the cars with no street plates but DMSB (or other) race registration (SuperGas and some Beetle)

Note: If you decide to start with any type of temp plates please make sure you have the papers fors the plates with you at inspection/registration, they might be checked

On the rollbars for the convertibles: if the car is street registered with regular plates and you beat the 14 by a tenth or a few, I am not going to send you home. Now if you run with racing mods which are not legal on public streets i.e. nitrous, slicks, or other,
and you get in the lower 13's and faster and faster... yes I WILL ask you to come back with a rollbar next time:

- If you have ANY accident at the site then I will be under investigation why I allowed you to run under unsafe conditions.
- Your (health/life)-insurance may refuse to pay... no matter if the accident had anything to do with a rollbar or not.

I know there are other events where everything is allowed, where you can race without helmets, with passengers, etc.
All this proofes how careless the organizer(s) really are, their worries are to loose money if they enforce rules.

I care for all of you and your families and I do not want anybody to get hurt, and I do not want to get shut down for some stupid reason.

AlsoI am aware of NHRA's new rules/times for rollbars. Whoever wants to refer to those new NHRA rules, should first read all the details.
If you want to run under those rules you got to apply to ALL of the NHRA rules (i.e. clothing), not just pick the single part you like.
I tried to make the rules in Bitburg as easy and simple as possible but also following the existing rules for dragracing in Germany, because of above mentioned insurance and law reasons.
The trend here goes towards allowing street registered cars to run as they are, 13's in a vert without rollbar seems to be possible as long the vert is factory stock! But they do not allow any temporary registration plates, nitrous, slicks, in the public dragracing classes at all :!:

Now for those decide to run by NHRA rules, shoot me a mail and we will get together and work a safe acceptable alternate route for the US side.
I expect at least a decent number of interested people willing to do the work - I will NOT make it easy for you and just adopt a number, if we go by NHRA, we go by all NHRA - and when finished it will be the alternate choice (for US only) to the existing rules.

http://www.nhra.com/2004/news/november/110102.html

...beginning Jan. 1, 2005, a roll bar and an SFI 16.1 driver-restraint system will be mandatory on any vehicle running 11.49 or quicker and for convertibles running 13.49 or quicker. An SFI 3.2A/1 jacket will be mandatory for all drivers in vehicles running between 10.00 to 11.49 seconds. On any car running 11.49 or quicker, a flywheel and clutch meeting SFI Spec 1.1 or 1.2 and a flywheel shield meeting SFI Spec 6.1, 6.2, 6.3, or 9.1 will be mandatory. A driveshaft loop will be required on all cars running 13.99 or quicker and utilizing slicks, except vehicles equipped with street tires running 11.49 or slower.
For Advanced E.T., the wording for protective clothing has been expanded to require a jacket and pants meeting SFI Spec 3.2A/20 and gloves and boots or shoes meeting SFI Spec 3.3/15 for any driver of a front-engine, open-bodied car equipped with nitrous oxide. Also, drivers of full-bodied cars equipped with nitrous oxide and a full .024-inch steel firewall will be required to wear an SFI Spec 3.2A/5 jacket and pants and SFI Spec 3.2A/1 gloves...
For all Stock vehicles, a full-size stock radiator must be for the year and body type used. The radiator must be the same year or model as the vehicle when it was produced at the factory. Also, the use of data recorders will be permitted in all Stock classes.
...a contestant cannot drive more than one car in the same category at the same event, nor can one vehicle be used for multiple entries

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Holy crap, look who just crawled out from under her rock! :shock: :shock:


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... finally got a new computer and back on the net ;) Welcome back, stranger :lol:

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sounds good. What modification/s bumps you out of the stock class?

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CandyMan wrote:
sounds good. What modification/s bumps you out of the stock class?


...in Germany or in USA ? (by german or american dragracing rules?)
or do you mean at the 1on1 events - by our current rules or when we work out the alternate version by NHRA rules for the US folks?

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